Florida Newspaper editorial comic sparks outrage

Hey blog world: 

So what do you think about this comic?

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Sigh….

Once again this is a perfect example of how black people are underestimated, undervalued and marginalized, and how we as a people have carried on this cultural conditioning and marginalize ourselves.

As mad as I am at this newspaper  for publishing this mess, I am equally upset that some in our community have accepted the stop snitching and thug mentality. 

It makes it that much harder for those who are socially conscience to fight things like this.  Wake up black people!!  Look at what is happening!  The editor had the nerve to say that using the word ho was a mistake. Umm that’s it?  That’s all he saw wrong? 

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32 Responses

  1. thats not a new rule!

    and whats wrong with the no snitching rule?

    i gotta hear this

  2. Jolli:

    Your asking me what’s wrong with no snitching? are you serious?

  3. thats exactly what i’m asking you

    i grew up “snitches get stitches”

    what wrong with it?

  4. This is yet another attempt to graft a general behavoir on blacks. No Snitching? Try the Bush Administration. Try the police force. Hell, look at every geographic and ethnic community, and you will find groups that encourage not talking to the police.

    It amazing that these same cartoonists and newspaper editors sat through 7 seasons of the Sopranos and 7 years of Bush’s cronies, and they only think that black folks promote the “no snitch” culture.

  5. Caged Lion:

    Look at Scooter Libby, and others in this administration. They lie and cover for each other. We see how this impacts our country and the world, and we also see how it affects those of us in the black community.

  6. Jolli:

    If you saw your neighbor get shot and you saw the person who did it, you mean to tell me you wouldn’t tell? What if someone shot your family member and you saw who the person was; you would tell the police who it was?

  7. I think that it is brutal satire, but I do not find it offensive, it makes a good point in my opinion.

  8. DJ Black Adams:

    That is the point I am trying to make. It is hard to jump on the editor of this newpaper when we ourselves have allowed this type of behavior to plauge our community.

  9. i think you have a misunderstanding of snitching.

    if you tell who killed your neighbor, that is not snitching.

    if you don’t tell who killed your neighbor, its not cuz of snitching, its cuz you may fear for your own life.

    and just so YOU know, i don’t call the police for any reason. i can handle myself and my community, thank you very much. unlike others, i DO believe and practive vigilante justice. an eye for an eye baby.

    snitching is more like telling the police, or your Momma, about an incident that you took part in but removed yourself from the story when telling OR lessened your part to recieve a smaller penelty.

  10. @Nativeson:

    I agree wit you man.

    The fact is that all this negative thug-pimp-gangsta b/s is hurting the very people who feel the need to defend it.

    It would be funny, if it weren’t so tragic.

  11. Who is the audience? Is it the black people who would be most likely in a situation that would require a decision to snitch or not snitch? I just don’t think many of those folks read this particular media or its editorial cartoons.

    Or is the audience the white readers of the newspaper who don’t know and don’t care about the realities in our communities, but will feel a sense of racial justification and racial superiority? Will these people then go out and demand more draconian laws that incarcerate more of our people, but leave their crime-ridden neighborhoods unscathed?

    Those are my concerns.

  12. Jolli:

    I understand your reasoning. But do you think that this helps or hurts the communities where violence is taking place?

  13. i cannot see how snitching is even a factor in rebuilding our communities.

    its a distraction.

    in the communities where the POLICE can’t get people to tell on neighborhood drug dealers, rapists, murderers and the like, it is the POLICE that fuel this fire.

    you cannot ask me to “rat out” my neighbor’s son for selling crack if i still have to live next door. duh.

    the people did not start this phenomonon. the government did.

    as such, the government should not even think to ask the people in these communities to put themselves out any further.

    IF, and thats a strong if, the government wanted to reduce the drug dealing in the neighborhoods there are MANY things they could and can do.

    they could put cameras on the sides of buildings where drug activity is active.

    they could risk the lives of their own and put undercovers in the game. young ones from like high school age. remember 21 jump street?

    easy one, they could stop making deals with drug selling countries to sell crack, heroine to our babies, parents, aunties, uncles.

    either way, snitching is not hurting the rebuilding of our communities.

    its an excellent rule about justice and loyalty. we need these things in place in our communities TO rebuild them.

  14. @ Caged Lion:

    “Who is the audience? Is it the black people who would be most likely in a situation that would require a decision to snitch or not snitch? I just don’t think many of those folks read this particular media or its editorial cartoons.”

    That’s more to the point of the problem don’t ya think?

    “Or is the audience the white readers of the newspaper who don’t know and don’t care about the realities in our communities, but will feel a sense of racial justification and racial superiority?”

    Do you think anyone who feels racially superior is going to be any more or less like that because of this cartoon?
    “Will these people then go out and demand more draconian laws that incarcerate more of our people, but leave their crime-ridden neighborhoods unscathed?”

    So if more draconian laws don’t help the problem (which is what I believe you are positing), do you think not saying anything about the problem helps? I’m tired of black folks upset because our laundry gets aired, obviously, all of US talking about the issue hasn’t caused any change. Black folks are the victims of everything that cartoon pointed out, so what do YOU think should be done then?

  15. Native Son:

    Excuse me for this, I apologize in advance if I overstep with the following.

    @Jolli

    YOu wrote:

    “i cannot see how snitching is even a factor in rebuilding our communities. its a distraction.”

    No, it is a symptom of a very deadly disease, that being apathy. It’s one thing if one fears for their life and doesn’t “rat” per se, but it’s quite another when you allow someone who is preying on the old, children and women of a community by not stepping up to put these marks in jail.

    “in the communities where the POLICE can’t get people to tell on neighborhood drug dealers, rapists, murderers and the like, it is the POLICE that fuel this fire.”

    I don’t trust police either, but if your son, or your neighbors son is raping women, murdering children, and YOU know it and don’t “Rat” (not out of fear for retribution) but because of some stupid inane “Code of the Street”, you should serve time with the perp in the worst gulag I can think of.

    “you cannot ask me to “rat out” my neighbor’s son for selling crack if i still have to live next door. duh.”

    Who is saying put your life in danger? Nobody, common sense will tell you not to rat when it endanges you or your family, but when it comes to this thing being some stupid arse “street code”, to hell with that.

    “the people did not start this phenomonon. the government did.”

    We may not have started it, but we CAN finish it.

    “as such, the government should not even think to ask the people in these communities to put themselves out any further.”

    WHen you give an anonymous call that could put away a murderer, damn the government, its about making your own community safe by putting ONE more sociopath OFF your streets and in JAIL where his or her arse belongs.

    “IF, and thats a strong if, the government wanted to reduce the drug dealing in the neighborhoods there are MANY things they could and can do.”

    Maybe there are, however, since we DON’T Control them and don’t DEMAND anything from the people WE put in power in the areas where we are the majority (i.e. Chicago 38% black, of which 98% of them are Democrat, who voted Daley in and GET NOTHIN’ IN RETURN), we at least should do what WE CAN. Until such time our so-called leadership stops kissing democrat arse and actually work FOR US.

    “they could put cameras on the sides of buildings where drug activity is active.”

    We do that here in Chicago, the drug dealers move to where there are no cameras.

    “they could stop making deals with drug selling countries to sell crack, heroine to our babies, parents, aunties, uncles.”

    Yes they can, but damn what we HOPE they do, how about dealing with what WE CAN DO.

    “either way, snitching is not hurting the rebuilding of our communities.”

    That is the most illogical nonsensical defense of that gangsta-thug-pimp “No snitching” drivil I have heard. NOT giving up people who are destroying the community in favor of this stupid arse ghetto code IS HELPING destroy communities.

    its an excellent rule about justice and loyalty. we need these things in place in our communities TO rebuild them.

  16. DJ:

    on point my brother. Could not have said it better myself

  17. @ Caged Lion:

    *“Who is the audience? Is it the black people who would be *most likely in a situation that would require a decision to *snitch or not snitch? I just don’t think many of those folks *read this particular media or its editorial cartoons.”

    *That’s more to the point of the problem don’t ya think?

    No. With all of the choices that exist today to obtain information, I am not at all troubled that people in the community don’t read this particular newspaper.

    *“Or is the audience the white readers of the newspaper *who don’t know and don’t care about the realities in our *communities, but will feel a sense of racial justification and *racial superiority?”

    *Do you think anyone who feels racially superior is going to *be any more or less like that because of this cartoon?

    Probably not.

    *“Will these people then go out and demand more *draconian laws that incarcerate more of our people, but *leave their crime-ridden neighborhoods unscathed?”

    *So if more draconian laws don’t help the problem (which is *what I believe you are positing), do you think not saying *anything about the problem helps? I’m tired of black folks *upset because our laundry gets aired, obviously, all of US *talking about the issue hasn’t caused any change. Black *folks are the victims of everything that cartoon pointed *out, so what do YOU think should be done then?

    Who says noone is talking about the problem? Black people talk about these problems all the time, at least the ones I converse with. My issue is with anti-black propaganda, which I think stokes the fires of racism and gives racist people that much more justification. And does absolutely nothing to help the problem. I don’t see any good that comes out of this cartoon. Can you? Seriously.

    What do I think should be done? Go to the root of the problem. The root of the problem is not “no snitching”. It is a drug prohibition that targets blacks disproportionately, and ignores the real source of demand. The roots also lie in loopholes in our gun policies that let people get away with selling guns to criminals.

    So, I think we should get guns off the street via very strict gun control laws that target gun dealers that sell in bulk to criminals. I think we should have a broadly and evenly enforced drug policy so that white people will be held to account for their demand of drugs. None of that was in the cartoon.

  18. Sorry about the messy post. I hope my comments are clear.

  19. Black Adam,

    I feel some of your concern about no snitching. But don’t most people avoid snitching for fear of retribution, and not because of dumb t-shirts?

  20. I like the cartoon. It expresses a problem we Black people have. We have former pimps, drug dealers, and ex-cons as our hip hop role models. They are advertised all over the place and so many people listen to this music. In their music they talk about their crimes and about not snitching. So this rappers can get away with anything and are held up as heroes instead of being seen as a negative influence on us. The same people we have on billboards like Snoop Dog, R Kelly, 50 Cent, TI and many others have committed crimes, don’t seem to regret any of it, glorify it in their music, and we are acting like it has no effect on our communities. They do have an effect. Its an excellent cartoon!

  21. I think this a complex situation. There are law abiding people in these communities who are scared to speak up for fear of retaliation and then there are criminals, who have taken on a mob mentaility. These people inflict fear in the neighborhood using violence and further crippling our communities with drugs.

    So I guess I should ask these question to everyone? What can people do? If some people are afraid to be witnesses for fear of something happening to them; and if some feel that snithching on a person they were involved with in a crime is not right, then what next? Do we just continue to kill each other?

  22. Getting back to the news paper, I have a suggestion. find out who advertise in the paper and boycott their products. i grant you that it is not a single black advertising agency. I wil research it. What is the name of the newspaper ?

  23. Not sure why you should boycott the paper — looks like they just hit a sore nerve. Clearly, based on the conversation here, this is a problem. It might be more useful to boycott the media companies that promote a mentality of ignorance and violence. I see that the cartoon actually implicates (Time)Warner music as being part of the problem. They and similar companies might be a good place to start.

    Native — great post and great thoughts. I think the best way to combat this whole “snitching” problem, really, is to get people out of poverty. You always advocate education, mentoring, etc. We all need to support social policy to those ends. But man, when a part of a culture is sick, I think it can be very hard to heal.

  24. I agree. I think it would be better to boycott the companies who are making money off promoting violence, prison culture, thuggery, pimps, and stop snitching. They are the source of the problem. I have absolutely no problem with the cartoon. Gangsta thugs and ex-cons are not the examples we should be giving to our children. If BET, Time Warner, and Viacom are behind those messages then we should be going after them not the messenger who called those companies out. You’re trying to shoot the messenger!

  25. ” I think the best way to combat this whole “snitching” problem, really, is to get people out of poverty.”

    exactly.

    and for the record. you all are misunderstanding snitching. its not this “not telling who murdered your neighbor” thing you keep calling it. thats something else…completely.

    DJ Black Adam:

    and its SO EASY to say something to somebody else about what decisions they make…but very often in situations in YOUR life when you have to face a difficult time, do you use the courage and selflessness you ask so easily of others?

    i almost feel like how dare you sir!

    have you ever had someone shot right in front of you? and since the shooter has seen that YOU saw him, you assume you’re next. but no. he doesn’t shoot you. but he does motion that if you tell, you will be next.

    you ask THAT person to drop an anonomous call to the police? so THAT person can be shoot to death in front of the bus stop thats right in front of the neighborhood middle school?

    thats unreasonable.

    these are the same people you are trying to save, right?

    this is the divide.

    the notion that the folks in the gutter aren’t doing enough to clean up the mess.

    yeah. how dare you sir.

    you wanna come up with solutions for rebuilding our Black communities?

    come better than that.

  26. People seem to mis-understand the whole snitch term and where it came from. People usually don’t just walk into the authorities and offer information on a crime. Unless it’s a murder and the snitch is a parent or family member that want’s justice, that’s not a snitch. It really came from “don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time”. When someone is arrested they are given an option to snitch on someone else for a lesser sentence. Bottom line, man up and do your jail sentence or sign up to join the police.

  27. How did I miss this?! That is awful. I’m in shock that such a comic got through. It reminds me of the old slave drawings depicting blacks as teethy, fools.
    And somehow I lost the point of the purpose of it!

  28. I’m going to wager that the person who created this comic is a black person. Criticism of black people by white folks is known to be almost criminal in this country, so any newspaper editor with good sense would only allow something so harsh to come from a black man or woman. I agree with Jolli, in that the “Don’t Snitch” mantra is mostly talking to fellow criminals about cashing in their co-defendants to get out of prison a little quicker, which of course has nothing to do with children witnessing crimes. But at the same time, I’m not sure that young children understand the difference, and grow up with the idea that they just shouldn’t talk to the police period. But people wearing shirts promoting ideas from criminals, for criminals, that only make it harder to convict criminals is INSANE. This cartoon may be a slight exaggeration (as they are most of the time intended to be). But it effectively gets the point across. The street culture tearing our communities and families apart is out of hand.

  29. If snitching means not turning in other criminals if you are arrested for a crime then what does it have to do with law-abiding citizens? If this is some criminal code then the rest of us non-criminals don’t have to pay any attention to it. If that is the case then are the people wearing don’t snitch T-shirts all criminals? I don’t think so. They are adopting something from prison thug culture that has nothing to do with them. They are mistaking snitching with law-abiding citizens talking to the police and reporting crimes. Thats the problem in my opinion. I don’t really care about what codes criminals have because I stay away from people like that. So is stop snitching just a criminal thing or what?

  30. I leave it to you intellectuals to debate the pro and cons of “snitching.”

    Commit a crime in my neighborhood?

    I’M TELLING EVERYTHING!

  31. it’s not just the threat to snitches that looms… it’s the apathy that is inbred in many black homes of current:
    disinterest in education, self-preservation, the absence of positive & critical communication amongst our peers, and keeping up the glamored facade of a flagrant and unaffordable “hood rich” lifestyle.

    this comic should serve as smelling salts to our ever-catatonic society!

  32. wow i had no idea people actually debated about this. its OBVIOUS that “snitching” is necessary even if in an urban or rural area. the authoritied NEED to know if theres somem kind of violent activity going on. and if the person comes to be in any kind of danger because they “snitched”, its the government’s RESPONSIBILITY to protect the person. people in gangs need to be removed and put in jail for doing harm ANYWHERE. if this is a real problem, someone should DO something about it. and whats a “no snitching rule”? thats the most rediculous thing ive ever heard! if peoples LIVES are threatened, witnesses NEED to report it! so the bottom line is, EVERYTHING is wrong with the no snitching rule!

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